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As of 14:21 this afternoon, I've been living (as the church website informs me) "in excommunication", "outside a visible bond to the church and its sacraments", for the first time in over a quarter of a century. And it's been far too long in the making, but - I didn't know it would feel this frightening.

Says the lady at the church office: "You're welcome back when you change your mind."
Says I: "Thank you."

Then I went for a ceremonial cup of coffee. Think I'll go for another one now.

or twelve

Date: 2005-06-08 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leksa.livejournal.com
Dude, yeah. We of the state church(es) live in a different world. :)

(Here the formality also has to do with 1) whether or not you pay the church taxes and 2) who's in charge of keeping you all registered up (the church or the magistrate) and 3) whether you can be married in a church ceremony, whether you can be an official godparent, etc.)

Date: 2005-06-08 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adventurat.livejournal.com
Church and state not separate where you live? Wow!

Date: 2005-06-08 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leksa.livejournal.com
Nope - and Sweden is the same, and quite possibly all the Nordic countries, but I may be wrong. (I think we're the only ones to have two state churches, though, the Lutheran and the Greek Orthodox - though, again, I may be wrong about that.)

And it is curious in a number of ways, because at the same time we have such an utterly utterly secular society, compared to some state-church-less countries, and it makes funny things happen, like. [Once again, I may be talking completely out of my ass, here, but] the President gets these quasi-churchly duties, and the current President, iirc, was actually not a member before the election.

Date: 2005-06-08 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leksa.livejournal.com
(actually - i'm just flooding your mailbox here, aren't i? - i think sweden was the same, but isn't any more. shame on me.)

Date: 2005-06-08 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adventurat.livejournal.com
Flooding my mailbox is fine! Makes me feel popular! :-)

Date: 2005-06-08 05:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] karintheswede
I do think that you still have to tell them if you don't want your children to be members, though.

Date: 2005-06-08 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adventurat.livejournal.com
Ah, the pretty assumptions I live under...

Date: 2005-06-08 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lockergirl.livejournal.com
Wow, I didn't know this!

My brother had his name erased from the 'batism list', so to speak. But it had nothing to do with the reasons you stated above, and all with his truly extreme atheist views. I consider myself an atheist as well, but I never went that far.

Date: 2005-06-08 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leksa.livejournal.com
Actually, my grounds for leaving the church were strictly religious (or non-religious, as it were) as well - the tax etc. issues are more like side-effects. (Though I will still continue to consider myself baptized. :))

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